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.... .... .. ....ABOUT THE SONGS ON OUR PROFILE:........ ..NOTHIN' AT ALL (Big Drill Car).... This track was recorded for the widely anticipated tribute CD "And You'll Spin" to one of California's best bands, BIG DRILL CAR. Recorded in two days with Paul at the board once again. The only change on this recording is the absence of longtime guitarist IKE ROBISON. Taking his place on the recording is former JUGHEAD'S REVENGE/KILL*DETAIL axeman, JOEY R. The CD was released on August 13th, 2008 on Itchy Korean Records at the BIG DRILL CAR Reunion Show... [produced by: PAUL LUKE].... ..WEAKEND.... This is a song that was written back in 1999-2000 and put on the 'to-do list' because something was missing at the time. A song about "loss", this track now shows the true feeling of betrayal as originally intended... [produced by: PAUL LUKE].... ..PENNY (Y.U.B.Y.C.).... Originally titled "You're Ugly But You're Cheap" but changed when in this version's chorus the girl is named as Penny. When the song was re-recorded a year later with GEZA X producing the name was removed in the final chorus. This version was recorded at Whipping Post Audio in Los Angeles and features MARK J. TOMORSKY on the sqwuaking guitar lead and was released on the "Twelve Ounce Inspiration" CD on BURNING TREE RECORDS in 2005... [produced by: MARK J. TOMORSKY & GIZZ LAZLO].... ..40 OUNCES (unreleased version).... This track was recorded for the TIME HEALS NOTHING EP, which was never released. Recorded in 2003 at Satellite Park in Malibu... [produced by: GEZA X].... ..I WANT THE MOON (Leatherface).... Originally written by Sunderland's Leatherface, this track was recorded for a tribute CD but for some reason didn't make the final cut. Instead the track was released on the Euorpean Only CD release, "...on the side" on EURO-6122 RECORDS in 2003. DLP's line-up was different on this recording, which included "ANGRY" JOHN DiMAMBRO (formerly of DOWN BY LAW, AGENT ORANGE) on bass and JOHN BAKER (OF 900 POUND GORILLA, THE PISSING IDIOTS, MAD BEAT VISION) on guitar. Gizz, Ike and Jeff Edwards filled out the rest of this recording's line-up... [produced by: GIZZ LAZLO & JOHN BAKER].... ..ELEANOR RIGBY (The Beatles).... This track was record at Blitz Alley Studio for a Beatles Tribute CD called DIE KAFER for UK upstart label lowercase records in 2002. It was also released on HORROR BUSINESS RECORDS in Germany for a compilation CD in 2003... [produced by: JOHN BAKER & IKE ROBISON].... ..DEATH FOR THE DEAD.... This track is from the 1998 NEW RED ARCHIVES CD release "Lonely Street". JOSH GODFREY, a friend of DLP's did the Native American chant and scream at the beginning of the song... [produced by: MICHEAL ROZON].... ..THE THUNDER ROLLS (Garth Brooks).... This track was recorded for the SMOKIN' OLDIES EP, which consists of the band's favorite cover songs. Released in 1997 by ROWNLBL in Japan. This was the label's first and only release... [produced by: MICHEAL ROZON].... ..WAITING FOR ARMO.... This track was originally released on 7" vinyl in 1996 on FEARLESS RECORDS. This version is actually the second recorded for this release at SpeedSemenCloveFactory... [produced by: MICHEAL ROZON].... ..CONSPIRACY OF ONE.... This track is from the 1994 Hassenphepper Inc. release "Meat Whistle EP". The line-up for this recording included JEFF YEARSLEY (of FOR SALE) and JEFF EDWARDS as well as Gizz, Chris and Steve. This is actually the first song to feature Gizz as the band's lead vocalist... [produced by: JONAS HANSSON].... -written by Sal Cochino-.. We hope you enjoy each of these songs as much as we enjoyed recording them!.. And remember... The Drunker You Get, The Better We Sound!!!! ...... .......... Van Nuys 1990: OK, so here's the deal, ..Chris "XL" Long.. -guitar (formerly of: Bad Samaritans, Damnation, Glue Gun, Haunted Garage and more) hooks up with ..Gizz "G.Lo" Lazlo.. -lead vocals (currently of: Kill*Detail [members of Jughead's Revenge] and drummer for Soul Trash / formerly of: Dr. Know, U.K. Subs, BadTown Boys, The DeRita Sisters, For Sale, Camelboy [from Bremen, Germany], Electric Ferrets, Crime Wave plus many, many, many more) and ..Steve "XploStevo" Simpronio.. -bass (formerly of: For Sale, The Bourbon Saints, Bedlam/Ritalin). In 2007 they get hooked up with .."Dirty" Don McCurdy.. -drums (currently of: Mojo Rib / formerly of: Twister Naked, The Bottom Feeders, Approximation) and the magic just seems to happen. After 13 years Ike Robsion leaves the band and is replaced by Seedy Spitz who is asked to leave after only a few months in the band. He is replaced by longtime friend and former DLP bassist (2001-2002) ..Todd "The Gooz" Guzman.. (formerly of; The Electric Ferrets, Fifty-Two) who has made the band stronger and tighter than ever before. ........ During the 20 years of DLP there have been others who came and went like; Chris "Seedy Spitz" Del Rio (guitarist; Crime Wave, Los Infernos, Y.A.P.O., The Vengents), Ike Robison (guitarist; BadTown Boys, Electric Ferrets), Luis E. (guitarist; The Grim, For Sale, Buford, Rhythm Collision, Kill 99), Jeff Yearsley (guitarist; For Sale), Jeff Edwards (drummer; Glue Gun, ifoundgod, 900 Pound Gorilla), John, Paul, Ringo, George (okay, there was never a Ringo or George but that was funny! Sheesh, maybe not!), John Baker (guitarist; Mad Beat Vision, The Pissing Idiots, 900 Pound Gorilla), Paul Luke (bassist; Shutdown, Red Sky Warning, Verses the Sun), Eric King (drummer; Just for Today), Curtiss Lopez (guitarist; Veteran Flashbax, Ignite), Todd Guzman (bassist; The Electric Ferrets, Fifty-Two), "Angry" John DiMambro (bassist; Agent Orange, Down By Law, The Joykiller, Clay Idols, Leonards, Red Lightning), Micah Garcia (guiarist; D.O.S.), Donat Kazarinoff (bass; Mad Beat Vision, The Pissing Idiots, 900 Pound Gorilla), John "Blount" Kuhn (drummer; Blount), Mando Del Rio (drummer; The Adolescents, El Centro, Mulch, Anti-Social), Stephan X (vocalist; Foreign Object, BadTown Boys, Old-Time Religion, Lonely Street), Sharif Dumani (backing vocalist; Something From Nothing, Buford, The Dining Room Set, The Moon Upstairs, Exploding Flowers) Frank E. Rolex (drummer; session drummer with Eric Burdon (of The Animals), Jimmy Z, John Mayall, Stephen Stills, Mick Taylor, Kevin Cronin, Bret Michaels, Richard Elliot, Dave Stuart, Carole King, Don "Sugarcane" Harris & Dewey Terry and The Jeff Naideau Band) and Dave Perry (drummer; Psychedelicatessen, Bad Samaritans, Foreign Object). .... The whole idea behind DEAD LAZLO'S PLACE is to play no-bullshit rock 'n' roll with a punk ethic and attitude. Think hard, fast, loud and melodic with a sense of humor. They've played way too many local shows to count, recorded a bunch of CDs and toured nationally a number of times..... Influences, as they've been told are; Motorhead, Doughboys, Leatherface, Snuff, Pegboy, Samiam, Black Flag, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Poison Idea, The Beatles, The Stones, Social D., Sam Kinison and Redd Foxx. Just good-ol' fashion, out-of-control "Beer Swillin' Punk Rock 'n' Roll" kinda stuff..... ..Some interesting facts about DLP are;.... *Gizz, who was the original drummer from 1990-1992 was diagnosed with cancer in 1992 and was out of commission for.. 2 years and when the band reformed in 1994 Gizz permanently switched to lead vocals..... *DLP were once introduced to the stage by NBA All-Star (Pistons & Lakers) and TV/Radio personality,.. John Salley for a "Battle of the Bands" at the Troubadour in 1997..... *Gizz was shot in the left forearm on Halloween night 1999 in Corpus Christi, Texas while on tour with.. DLP pulling double-duty as the band's lead singer AND drummer..... *They were signed to Fearless Records, way before At the Drive In!.... *They've been approached by Atlantic Records... twice!!.... *They've recorded more albums (CDs) than they've released..... *They've written well over 140 original songs to date and recorded somewhere in the neighborhood of 170 songs.. (including covers, demo versions of unreleased material and live album tracks)..... *They've been sponsored by Schecter Guitars, Axis Drum Pedals, Sabian Cymbals, Yoo-hoo Chocolate Drink, Puma Shoes & Clothing, Porn Star Clothing, Choice Snowboards, (nla) No Limit America Clothing, Crime Pay$ Clothing, Allegience Cycles, IE Cycles plus a whole bunch of other companies who shall remain nameless for legal reasons but in 19 years they've never been sponsored by the one company they actually promote the most... Budweiser. Hmmmm, strange!.... *They've licensed many songs to media outlets for television and radio commercials worldwide. Most recently to Snickers (yeah, the candy bar) and a television game show called "Showdown" on the Game Show Network. MTV's "True Life" featured a DLP tune in an episode and The Discovery Channel's "Monster Garage" used a song for a video released.. on their website..... *Two members hit their 30's a long, long, long, long time ago and three are now in their 40's..... *Gizz is the baby of the band, which means he's the youngest..... *Steve used to have long, flowing, golden hair..... *Don has cut himself shaving more than a few times and actually owns two sets of cymbals..... *Todd is best known for helping Gizz fail basic math in high school. .... *Todd was in the major motion picture RIVER'S EDGE with Keanu Reeves, Dennis Hopper and Crispin Glover in the late 80's. .... *As for XL, he lives right down the street from... well, just about everyone... maybe even you!!.... ....SOME REVIEWS, QUOTES AND STUFF OVERHEARD FROM PEOPLE AT OUR SHOWS!........ "This ain't your father's rock and roll. Hell, it ain't even your momma's, your brother's, or even yours. This all belongs to Dead Lazlo's Place. Like a biker gang at a baby shower, they've come to wreck havok, cause trouble and have a good time. But don't freak out just yet, they brought beer.".... "Picture Motorhead and Social Distortion in a back-alley knife fight over girls they stole from the Descendents.".... "...then we were treated to an unplugged performance from LA's DLP. Wow! Acoustic Cholo Metal? Who'da thunk?".... "And on a warm Saturday evening in South El Monte we saw LA's least favorite sons (a title they hold with pride I would assume) play a crazy, chaotic set of new classics and old favorites to a few hundred drunken party goers. There were thugs, there were dames, there were stage dives from the roof and police activity. There was even a midget breakdancing on a bed of jalapeno peppers. Only at a DLP show!".... "Dead Lazlo's Place are a bunch of dudes from Nowheresville, playing music no one cares about in a city full of self-absorbed fuck wads, to a crowd too dumb to know that they have witnessed true genius.".... "They [DLP] kill it everynight and deliver all the goods; angry, loud, and beautiful.".... "Fuck the drunken sloganeering wanna-be rebels. Fuck the pretty boy hipster ass fags. Fuck the sheep who won't admit to liking something until all their friends do and then copping a "I heard 'em first" attitude. Fuck the jadded, seen-it-all fashion robots. This ain't music, this is war!.... ......
Members
..DEAD LAZLO'S PLACE.. Chris XL Lazlo Guitar/vocals, Steve Simpronio Bass/Vocals, Dirty Dom McCurdy Droms/Vocals, Todd Guzzman Guitar/Vocals ...... ...... ...... ......
Influences
In no particular order:.. Motorhead, Doughboys, Leatherface, Snuff, Turbonegro, Samiam, Pegboy, Black Flag, Beatles, ZZ Top, Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, English Dogs, Lenny & the Squigtones, old-Goo Goo Dolls, Ramones, King Crimson, Husker Du, T.S.O.L., Poison Idea, ALL, KISS, The Go-Go's, AC/DC, Big Drill Car, Sam Kinison, Redd Foxx, Carlos Mencia, George Lopez and much, much more...
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LA's Kings of Beer rock FlashRock Live! for a second time

..ABOUT THE SONGS ON OUR PROFILE:..

NOTHIN' AT ALL (Big Drill Car)
This track was recorded for the widely anticipated tribute CD "And You'll Spin" to one of California's best bands, BIG DRILL CAR. Recorded in two days with Paul at the board once again. The only change on this recording is the absence of longtime guitarist IKE ROBISON. Taking his place on the recording is former JUGHEAD'S REVENGE/KILL*DETAIL axeman, JOEY R. The CD was released on August 13th, 2008 on Itchy Korean Records at the BIG DRILL CAR Reunion Show.
[produced by: PAUL LUKE]

WEAKEND
This is a song that was written back in 1999-2000 and put on the ‘to-do list’ because something was missing at the time. A song about “loss”, this track now shows the true feeling of betrayal as originally intended.
[produced by: PAUL LUKE]

PENNY (Y.U.B.Y.C.)
Originally titled "You're Ugly But You're Cheap" but changed when in this version's chorus the girl is named as Penny. When the song was re-recorded a year later with GEZA X producing the name was removed in the final chorus. This version was recorded at Whipping Post Audio in Los Angeles and features MARK J. TOMORSKY on the sqwuaking guitar lead and was released on the "Twelve Ounce Inspiration" CD on BURNING TREE RECORDS in 2005.
[produced by: MARK J. TOMORSKY & GIZZ LAZLO]

40 OUNCES (unreleased version)
This track was recorded for the TIME HEALS NOTHING EP, which was never released. Recorded in 2003 at Satellite Park in Malibu.
[produced by: GEZA X]

I WANT THE MOON (Leatherface)
Originally written by Sunderland's Leatherface, this track was recorded for a tribute CD but for some reason didn't make the final cut. Instead the track was released on the Euorpean Only CD release, "...on the side" on EURO-6122 RECORDS in 2003. DLP's line-up was different on this recording, which included "ANGRY" JOHN DiMAMBRO (formerly of DOWN BY LAW, AGENT ORANGE) on bass and JOHN BAKER (OF 900 POUND GORILLA, THE PISSING IDIOTS, MAD BEAT VISION) on guitar. Gizz, Ike and Jeff Edwards filled out the rest of this recording's line-up.
[produced by: GIZZ LAZLO & JOHN BAKER]

ELEANOR RIGBY (The Beatles)
This track was record at Blitz Alley Studio for a Beatles Tribute CD called DIE KAFER for UK upstart label lowercase records in 2002. It was also released on HORROR BUSINESS RECORDS in Germany for a compilation CD in 2003.
[produced by: JOHN BAKER & IKE ROBISON]

DEATH FOR THE DEAD
This track is from the 1998 NEW RED ARCHIVES CD release "Lonely Street". JOSH GODFREY, a friend of DLP's did the Native American chant and scream at the beginning of the song.
[produced by: MICHEAL ROZON]

THE THUNDER ROLLS (Garth Brooks)
This track was recorded for the SMOKIN' OLDIES EP, which consists of the band's favorite cover songs. Released in 1997 by ROWNLBL in Japan. This was the label's first and only release.
[produced by: MICHEAL ROZON]

WAITING FOR ARMO
This track was originally released on 7" vinyl in 1996 on FEARLESS RECORDS. This version is actually the second recorded for this release at SpeedSemenCloveFactory.
[produced by: MICHEAL ROZON]

CONSPIRACY OF ONE
This track is from the 1994 Hassenphepper Inc. release "Meat Whistle EP". The line-up for this recording included JEFF YEARSLEY (of FOR SALE) and JEFF EDWARDS as well as Gizz, Chris and Steve. This is actually the first song to feature Gizz as the band's lead vocalist.
[produced by: JONAS HANSSON]

-written by Sal Cochino-
We hope you enjoy each of these songs as much as we enjoyed recording them!
And remember... The Drunker You Get, The Better We Sound!!!!

All you wanted to know about LA's Kings of Beer

Van Nuys 1990: OK, so here's the deal, Chris "XL" Long -guitar (formerly of: Bad Samaritans, Damnation, Glue Gun, Haunted Garage and more) hooks up with Gizz "G.Lo" Lazlo -lead vocals (currently of: Kill*Detail [members of Jughead's Revenge] and drummer for Soul Trash / formerly of: Dr. Know, U.K. Subs, BadTown Boys, The DeRita Sisters, For Sale, Camelboy [from Bremen, Germany], Electric Ferrets, Crime Wave plus many, many, many more) and Steve "XploStevo" Simpronio -bass (formerly of: For Sale, The Bourbon Saints, Bedlam/Ritalin). In 2007 they get hooked up with "Dirty" Don McCurdy -drums (currently of: Mojo Rib / formerly of: Twister Naked, The Bottom Feeders, Approximation) and the magic just seems to happen. After 13 years Ike Robsion leaves the band and is replaced by Seedy Spitz who is asked to leave after only a few months in the band. He is replaced by longtime friend and former DLP bassist (2001-2002) Todd "The Gooz" Guzman (formerly of; The Electric Ferrets, Fifty-Two) who has made the band stronger and tighter than ever before. ....

During the 20 years of DLP there have been others who came and went like; Chris "Seedy Spitz" Del Rio (guitarist; Crime Wave, Los Infernos, Y.A.P.O., The Vengents), Ike Robison (guitarist; BadTown Boys, Electric Ferrets), Luis E. (guitarist; The Grim, For Sale, Buford, Rhythm Collision, Kill 99), Jeff Yearsley (guitarist; For Sale), Jeff Edwards (drummer; Glue Gun, ifoundgod, 900 Pound Gorilla), John, Paul, Ringo, George (okay, there was never a Ringo or George but that was funny! Sheesh, maybe not!), John Baker (guitarist; Mad Beat Vision, The Pissing Idiots, 900 Pound Gorilla), Paul Luke (bassist; Shutdown, Red Sky Warning, Verses the Sun), Eric King (drummer; Just for Today), Curtiss Lopez (guitarist; Veteran Flashbax, Ignite), Todd Guzman (bassist; The Electric Ferrets, Fifty-Two), "Angry" John DiMambro (bassist; Agent Orange, Down By Law, The Joykiller, Clay Idols, Leonards, Red Lightning), Micah Garcia (guiarist; D.O.S.), Donat Kazarinoff (bass; Mad Beat Vision, The Pissing Idiots, 900 Pound Gorilla), John "Blount" Kuhn (drummer; Blount), Mando Del Rio (drummer; The Adolescents, El Centro, Mulch, Anti-Social), Stephan X (vocalist; Foreign Object, BadTown Boys, Old-Time Religion, Lonely Street), Sharif Dumani (backing vocalist; Something From Nothing, Buford, The Dining Room Set, The Moon Upstairs, Exploding Flowers) Frank E. Rolex (drummer; session drummer with Eric Burdon (of The Animals), Jimmy Z, John Mayall, Stephen Stills, Mick Taylor, Kevin Cronin, Bret Michaels, Richard Elliot, Dave Stuart, Carole King, Don "Sugarcane" Harris & Dewey Terry and The Jeff Naideau Band) and Dave Perry (drummer; Psychedelicatessen, Bad Samaritans, Foreign Object).

The whole idea behind DEAD LAZLO'S PLACE is to play no-bullshit rock 'n' roll with a punk ethic and attitude. Think hard, fast, loud and melodic with a sense of humor. They've played way too many local shows to count, recorded a bunch of CDs and toured nationally a number of times.

Influences, as they've been told are; Motorhead, Doughboys, Leatherface, Snuff, Pegboy, Samiam, Black Flag, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Poison Idea, The Beatles, The Stones, Social D., Sam Kinison and Redd Foxx. Just good-ol' fashion, out-of-control "Beer Swillin' Punk Rock 'n' Roll" kinda stuff.

..Some interesting facts about DLP are;..
*Gizz, who was the original drummer from 1990-1992 was diagnosed with cancer in 1992 and was out of commission for
2 years and when the band reformed in 1994 Gizz permanently switched to lead vocals.

*DLP were once introduced to the stage by NBA All-Star (Pistons & Lakers) and TV/Radio personality,
John Salley for a "Battle of the Bands" at the Troubadour in 1997.

*Gizz was shot in the left forearm on Halloween night 1999 in Corpus Christi, Texas while on tour with
DLP pulling double-duty as the band's lead singer AND drummer.

*They were signed to Fearless Records, way before At the Drive In!

*They've been approached by Atlantic Records... twice!!

*They've recorded more albums (CDs) than they've released.

*They've written well over 140 original songs to date and recorded somewhere in the neighborhood of 170 songs
(including covers, demo versions of unreleased material and live album tracks).

*They've been sponsored by Schecter Guitars, Axis Drum Pedals, Sabian Cymbals, Yoo-hoo Chocolate Drink, Puma Shoes & Clothing, Porn Star Clothing, Choice Snowboards, (nla) No Limit America Clothing, Crime Pay$ Clothing, Allegience Cycles, IE Cycles plus a whole bunch of other companies who shall remain nameless for legal reasons but in 19 years they've never been sponsored by the one company they actually promote the most... Budweiser. Hmmmm, strange!

*They've licensed many songs to media outlets for television and radio commercials worldwide. Most recently to Snickers (yeah, the candy bar) and a television game show called "Showdown" on the Game Show Network. MTV's "True Life" featured a DLP tune in an episode and The Discovery Channel's "Monster Garage" used a song for a video released
on their website.

*Two members hit their 30's a long, long, long, long time ago and three are now in their 40's.

*Gizz is the baby of the band, which means he's the youngest.

*Steve used to have long, flowing, golden hair.

*Don has cut himself shaving more than a few times and actually owns two sets of cymbals.

*Todd is best known for helping Gizz fail basic math in high school.

*Todd was in the major motion picture RIVER'S EDGE with Keanu Reeves, Dennis Hopper and Crispin Glover in the late 80's.

*As for XL, he lives right down the street from... well, just about everyone... maybe even you!!

..SOME REVIEWS, QUOTES AND STUFF OVERHEARD FROM PEOPLE AT OUR SHOWS!..

"This ain't your father's rock and roll. Hell, it ain't even your momma's, your brother's, or even yours. This all belongs to Dead Lazlo's Place. Like a biker gang at a baby shower, they've come to wreck havok, cause trouble and have a good time. But don't freak out just yet, they brought beer."

"Picture Motorhead and Social Distortion in a back-alley knife fight over girls they stole from the Descendents."

"...then we were treated to an unplugged performance from LA's DLP. Wow! Acoustic Cholo Metal? Who'da thunk?"

"And on a warm Saturday evening in South El Monte we saw LA's least favorite sons (a title they hold with pride I would assume) play a crazy, chaotic set of new classics and old favorites to a few hundred drunken party goers. There were thugs, there were dames, there were stage dives from the roof and police activity. There was even a midget breakdancing on a bed of jalapeno peppers. Only at a DLP show!"

"Dead Lazlo's Place are a bunch of dudes from Nowheresville, playing music no one cares about in a city full of self-absorbed fuck wads, to a crowd too dumb to know that they have witnessed true genius."

"They [DLP] kill it everynight and deliver all the goods; angry, loud, and beautiful."

"Fuck the drunken sloganeering wanna-be rebels. Fuck the pretty boy hipster ass fags. Fuck the sheep who won't admit to liking something until all their friends do and then copping a "I heard 'em first" attitude. Fuck the jadded, seen-it-all fashion robots. This ain't music, this is war!

..

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Members:

DEAD LAZLO'S PLACE

I'd rather be doing blow off a hooker's ass.

Influences:

In no particular order:
Motorhead, Doughboys, Leatherface, Snuff, Turbonegro, Samiam, Pegboy, Black Flag, Beatles, ZZ Top, Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, English Dogs, Lenny & the Squigtones, old-Goo Goo Dolls, Ramones, King Crimson, Husker Du, T.S.O.L., Poison Idea, ALL, KISS, The Go-Go's, AC/DC, Big Drill Car, Sam Kinison, Redd Foxx, Carlos Mencia, George Lopez and much, much more...