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General When should you replace your tubes; Signs that your tubes may be deteriorating:

1. Loss of highs or lows

2. Muddy chords

3. Poor balance in the output levels of various notes

4. Lacks punch

5. Makes funny noises

6. Amp starts sounding weak

7. Power fading up and down

8. No sustain, or fast decay

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Very Helpful Tips & Tricks:

This was an article on tube manufacturers and how the "Groove Tubes" 1-10 scale could be used for tubes that were desired for a Mesa Boogie amp which has a fixed bias.

Tech Tip: - Groove Tubes vs. Mesa Boogie Tubes

In the case of Groove Tubes, they use a rating scale of 1-10. Mesa Boogie uses a color code system. Here is the cross reference to use the same "grade" of tube if you switch from one vendor to the other:

Mesa Scale crossed to Groove Tubes scale

Red 4

Yellow 4

Green 5

Gray 5

Blue 6

White 6

The reason for Mesa's narrow range, is that their amplifiers do not have an adjustable bias. This way if you have one of their amps, you can use any of their tubes safely. For amplifiers without an adjustable bias, if you want more headroom and/or power as an example ... and you amp had a #5 or Mesa "Green" tube in it .... and had an idle dissapation of about 50%, you would just go to a "White", "Blue" or a Groove Tubes #6. You will see your idle dissapation go up to maybe 55%. This is a way to fine tune your amp.

Preamp tubes .... a few bits of info:

I received a question from one of the folks here who wanted to retube his whole amp. For his objective I felt it was not necessary to replace every tube. He was making some classic mistakes and after giving him some guidelines and suggestions I felt that some of what I wrote might be beneficial for others.

On preamp tubes ... this is all personal preference but you DO NOT need to change them all. Experiment with V1 ... the tube most close to the input jack. This is 85% of the tone and gain in your amp and has the most effect.

Again ... this is personal taste but a little guideline here is:

12AX7R - lowest gain and darkest. Generally better in current driver spots such as effects loops or reverb circuits rather than in the front end. This tube is also known as the Sovtek 12AX7WA and Sovtek 12AX7WC. The gain of the WA is lower than any other 12AX7 type. The gain of the WC is about average compared with other 12AX7 types.

12AX7R2 - smooth but not bright, sort of mid range in response. Average gain. Great in phase inverter positions too. Also known as the Sovtek 12AX7LPS. How a phase inverter breaks down and passes signal to the output section can affect the tone and feel of your amp. I know some say the phase inverter has no effect. I disagree and am happy to demo this to others and let them decide. In any case, my personal preference in many cases in a longer plate tube for the phase inverter in amps that use 12AX7 phase inverters. This is also a great front end tube.

12AX7R3 - bright and articulate. Average gain. Can sound a bit thin to some ears in some amps. This tube is also known as the 12AX7EH (Electro Harmonix) and with a slightly different internal structure also known as the Tung Sol Reissue. These tubes are all over the map on specs so if you buy a EH or Tung Sol version get them from a trusted vendor that tests them well. If you get these in the GT Gold Series they are already tested for noise, output, etc. and will be within a good spec range.

12AX7C - Chinese 12AX7. The most smooth and linear of the 12AX7 family. A lot of Marshall folks swear by these and in Fender type front ends are really nice. Make sure you use generation 9 only. Generation 7 and 8 are not as nice. Some early generation 4 tubes are prized by some high gain amp folks. There are a lot of "Chinese" 12AX7s on the market and lots are Gen 7-8. There are also a lot of Chinese tube companies and co-ops such as Sino. The only Gen 9 folks I know of at the moment are GT and Ruby. These are a great all around tube. These are also the tube I select for tube preamps or amps with tube front ends and solid state power sections. This is also my pick for bass amps with tube front ends.

ECC83S - This is the JJ produced tube and has a short plate design that is very free of physical microphonics. These have a different mid range response than other 12AX7 types. They are the most gainy of any of the 12AX7 family and the tubes that have the highest percentage of ones that fall in the 85+ actual gain spec. The gain of a 12AX7 should be 100 at 250 plate volts with a 2 volt bias but most tubes made today are 75-80 or so. Many of the ECC83S tubes exceed a gain of 90. Just a five point drop in gain in the front end of many amps will turn the amp into an OK amp rather than a great amp as this is the main tone and gain stage in many amps. These have a classic British response; Vox, Marshall, Selmer etc. These are what I use to build the SAG-MHG kits after hand selecting for gain, current output, transconductance and plate resistance.

5751M - Think of this as a lower gain (about 70) 12AX7. This is a tube to use in V1 when you want more clean headroom and a smoother response. This was one of SRV's tricks in the first gain stage of some of his Fender amps. This is a GT exclusive tube.

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Just a bit of info here:

There are a number of folks at GT that will manage this page and answer questions as best they can and as quickly as possible. Questions sent to us here will be directed to the best resource in the GT family in a desire for us to get you the best answer.


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Groove Tubes® is the World’s leading supplier of vacuum tubes for music and audio products. For the past 30 years, our primary business has been to supply the highest quality tested, rated and QC'd tube products found anywhere. You will find without question more Groove Tubes vacuum tubes in the back of the world's most respected amplifier manufacturers, as well as, musicians' amplifiers than all other tube brands combined.

Our proprietary testing and matching process truly revolutionized the musical instruments industry. In this process, we have demystified what tubes should be used in what amplifiers and characterized the associated tonal differences found in different ratings. Once you find your magic complement of tubes for your favorite amplifier, you can replace old GT tubes for new GT tubes in similar ratings without having to re-bias your amplifier. Pretty cool! Although we do suggest that having a qualified amplifier technician look over your tube amp from time to time is a really good idea!

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I'd like to meet? You! Below are some of our friends that we work with on a continual basis. They are some of the greatest players, engineers, producers and talents today. We'd love to work with you as well!

If you have any general GT related questions feel free to send a message or comment here and one of the GT staff will get back to you as soon as we can.

Heavy tone? The sound of today's rock. Zakk is a player that defines hard rock every day whether he is on or off a stage. Marshall amps and GT tubes including the SAG-MHG kit. His small rig is 14 Marshalls. What more can you say after that?

You can see more of Zakk at www.zakkwylde.com

Throughout the last decade our friend and unbelievable talent, Brad Paisley has brought home the top awards at the CMAs, ACMs, CMTs, and more. Record of the year, song of the year, video of the year, album of the year, artist of the year, and more ... year after year of more truly-deserved accolades. Check out his Dr Z amps (in the photo above) which are equipped with GT tubes.

There is a lot of info on the Brad Paisley website including info on the gear he uses, his tour information and more at www.bradpaisley.com

Foremost L.A. session player. The guy most folks hear everyday if you turn on a TV, watch a movie, or hear a radio commercial. Just about every amp you can imagine is in his tonal palette and all outfitted with GT tubes. Check out his latest CD "Take One Step" and his award winning DVD "Rumor Mill". The DVD has a ton of bonus material including a section showing him playing and explaining some of his vintage guitar collection.

www.carlverheyen.com

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Daniel

Daniel Gutierrez



Sep 15 2008 10:23 PM

Hi thanks for the add nice myspace, Rock ON!!
CHOLEYSMUZ

CHOLEYSMUZ



Sep 14 2008 1:56 AM

Thanx guys for adding me. Your in my Boogie and my Twin! Keep it goin on.
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Sep 14 2008 5:39 PM

thanks for the add, reliabilty, and availability!
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Jul 22 2008 5:30 PM

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Jul 22 2008 2:49 AM

So Groove Tubes will make my Marshall sound better?? I'll give them a try.

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Bobby DeVito

Bobby DeVito



Jul 22 2008 12:43 AM

love the tubes, been using them for years.

how about some REALLY good 6550s????

the supplies are getting short, and i like 6550 a lot better than EL 34...help!

bobby d
THE STRINGMASTER

THE STRINGMASTER



Jul 15 2008 10:42 AM

THE STRINGMASTER THANKS THE GREAT GROVE TUBES FOR NEW FRIENDSHIP!

THE STRINGMASTER IS A ROCK HARDENED BY HOLLYWOOD BORN AND BRED TO PLAY THE GUITAR.TEMPERED BY THE CREATOR.
CHOSEN AND READY TO TAKE A SONIC STAND AGAINST THE INVADERS FOR THE FUTURE OF ALL HUMANITY!
LyL

LyL



Jul 10 2008 1:58 PM

Best tube ever!
You gave me a natural harmonic tube sound.. simply amazing!
Thanks for your work. Tubes are the perfect way for electonic analogic aplications. There's no transistor better.
lyl
KENTA

KENTA



Jul 6 2008 10:50 PM

Hello;)
How are the things going for you?
Have a nice week!!
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John Sleezer

John Sleezer



Jul 1 2008 5:48 PM

Hello Groove tubes
I love Groove Tubes have used Groove tubes in my Marshalls for many years
I recently sold my amp so i am now on the lookout for two used tube amps to run together
After i decide on what Brand amps to use and endorse i will have Groove tubes installed again any suggestions are appreciated
Thanks for the add my friends
Have a great day
Peace John Sleezer
Simon Tonx @ suburbia music studio

Simon Tonx @ suburbia music studio



Jun 27 2008 2:54 PM

Thanks for the add guys
Your valves are cooking!
All the best from Australia

Simon Tonx
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Jun 26 2008 4:05 PM

Hi guys I'm gonna stick groove tubes in my new amp! Rock on!

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Jun 16 2008 6:15 PM

Hey, thanks for the tubes, BTW, RED RHODES used to work on all my tube amps, 6l6gc to el 34 conversion, he was great! KEEP ROCKIN! Nick
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Jun 2 2008 8:01 PM

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