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Orr/Allen Duo
Experimental / Jazz / Hardcore

"Oakland's 'Raw Meat' School of Music"

OAKLAND, California
United States

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   Orr/Allen Duo: General Info
Member Since8/11/2005
Band MembersTimothy Orr and Josh Allen
InfluencesDrum Influences: Han Bennink, Bill Bruford, Ed Blackwell, Tony Williams, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Stewart Copland, Gunter Sommer, Tony Oxley, Jack DeJohnette, Paul Motian, Billy Higgins, Elvin Jones, Rashid Ali, Milford Graves, Jim Black, Royal Hartigan, Andrew Cyrille, Roy Haynes, Barry Altschul, and more. In addition, Tim’s other musical and non-musical influences include Shostakovitch, Morton Feldman, John Cage, West African drumming, Indonesian Gamelan, South Indian music, Richard Serra, Robert Rauschenberg, Dennis Oppenheim, Anthony Braxton, e.e. cummings, Charles Bukowski and many many more. But, at the same time, we sound like ourselves, at least that's the plan.
Sounds LikePeter Brotzmann, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Marco Eneidi, Gianni Gebbia, Thelonious Monk, Horace Tapscott, Pharoah Sanders, Evan Parker, Art Ensemble of Chicago, John Coltrane, John Zorn, Steve Lacy, Anthony Braxton, Gerbhard Ullman, Ellery Eskelin, Steve Potts, Wolfgang Fuchs, and others.
Record LabelNone: but ESP or FMP would be good.
Type of LabelNone




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   About Orr/Allen Duo
Timothy Orr and Josh Allen first met in 1997 at San Franciscos Radical House Studios (http://www.radhs.com/) in a project called Sax vs. Guitar, an octet that featured three saxophones, three guitars and rhythm section. Even though the project was unreleased, Tim and Josh decided to play together, forming a trio with acoustic bassist Randy Hunt. They got a regular gig at Oaklands Manhattan Club, and performed at San Franciscos Club Cocodrie several times, playing free-bop and standards. However, the group broke up by the end of the year.

Tim, Randy and Josh recently played their first gig together at the KFJC Radio station in Los Altos Hills, CA on April 17, 2008. First gig in 11 years!

In 2002, Tim and Josh met up again in Oakland by chance. After several months of practicing with no specific agenda, the two recorded the unreleased "Operation Piss Off The Planet", which happened to occur on the same day of the US invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003. This recording documented the freestyle improvisation of that time, and was a launching pad to "Sundays Farce", recorded in December of 2003. Leaner, meaner and more concise, "Sundays Farce" was completely improvised and is available in limited quantities.

"Sunday's Farce" was lovingly engineered and recorded by Kris Schmolze on site in the Peralta Palace in West Oakland, California. Tim and Kris lived at the Palace from 2002-2004 and the 3500 square foot warehouse was frequently used as a rehearsal and recording space for a variety of projects. "Narcissus" and "Shut up" are from the "Sunday's Farce" session.

Tim, Josh and bassist Damon Smith also played in the Marco Eneidi Quartet, on the last of Eneidis US performances before he moved to Vienna in November 2004, performing at Scott Looneys 8th St. Performance Space in Oakland, and at Jazz In Flights final presentation at the Oakland Metro. Tim and Josh have also played at the Expressions Center, George Kayes (both with Damon Smith) and the Luggage Store Gallery.

In January 2006, Tim, Josh, Tarik Kazaleh and film director Nasri Zacharia recorded the soundtrack for Zacharia's upcoming independent film "The Tale of Three Mohammeds."

TIMOTHY ORR BIO: Timothy Orr was born in Hartford, Connecticut on June 22, 1967 and began playing the drums in 1976. After playing in several rock bands in the early 80s, he studied with Edward Blackwell from 1985-89 at Wesleyan University where he earned a BA in English, with a concentration in Medieval and Renaissance literature.

In retrospect, he should have studied Ethnomusicology. During this period, Tim played in several rock, punk and grunge bands, warming up for emerging talents like Helmet, Fugazi, Band of Susans and Soul Asylum. He also worked in college musical theater productions, played for dancers, film soundtracks, and worked on several thesis performances. Upon graduation in 1989, Tim started to perform in several roots music bands in the New England region, performing Cajun, zydeco, bluegrass, post-war Chicago blues, and original music as well.

In addition to his performance schedule, Tim cultivated a career in the music industry, holding positions in alternative radio promotion and classical marketing at Virgin Records, publicity at MCA, retail sales at HMV and warehouse and operations management at TVT Records in New York City.

After moving to San Francisco in 1992, Tim hooked up with the Cajun/zydeco scene in the Bay Area, and began to play 100+ nights a year with various people and groups, such as Andre Thierry, Zydeco Slim, Tete Rouge, Danny Poullard, Andrew Carriere, Gerard Landry, Kenny Menard, and many others.

From 1997 to 2002, Tim was VP of Sales and the Marketing Director for the Arkadia Jazz label, and was Associate Director of the Brubeck Institute at the University of the Pacific in Stockton, California from 2003 to 2005. He has also been a journalist for DRUM! Magazine since 1993, and TRAPS Magazine since 2006. Tim was on the Board of Directors of Oaklands Jazz In Flight from 2002-2005. He became the Marketing Associate and Public Relations liason for the Monterey Jazz Festival in 2006.

Tims involvement in jazz goes back to the mid-70s, when his father played him a Joe Morello drum solo (in 5/4) from a Dave Brubeck album, which only confused the 9-year old. After several years of sometimes demoralizing drum lessons with a local teacher, Tim reverted to what he always had found to be true: that he could self teach by improvising, and by listening to and playing along with albums. Live at Leeds by the Who and Zenyatta Mondatta by the police were particular favorites.

By the early 80s, Tim was introduced to the music of Miles Davis, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report and other fusion groups. Initially impressed with the music, Tim found contemporary fusion to ultimately be boring and excessive, and referred to it as jock jazz. On the flip fide, one of the recordings Tim discovered was Eric Dolphys Out to Lunch, which served as a starting point for his interest in the avant-garde.

By 1985, Tim was attending Wesleyan University and studying with Ed Blackwell, who pointed Tim in the direction of acoustic avant-garde music, with Ornette Coleman as a main reference. Intrigued by the subversive attitude of the New Yorks punk, downtown and loft jazz scenes, Tim also started to go to shows in New York City at the Village Vanguard, where he was able to see jazz icons like Don Cherry, Mal Waldron, Woody Shaw, Charlie Rouse and others. Tim recalls being scared shitless as an 18 year-old, when he met many of these people in the legendary kitchen at the Vanguard, introduced by Blackwell. He has also studied with Royal Hartigan, Jay Hoggard and Andrew Cyrille.

Tim has many influences from many genres, and he tries to invoke the essence of his heroes to arrive at his own sound: the explosive energy of Tony Williams, Elvin Jones and Jack DeJohnette, the sonic organization of Max Roach, Andrew Cyrille and Ed Blackwell, and the creative blurring freedom of Rashied Ali, Gunter Sommer and Sunny Murray. Tim is just as likely to be found listening to Anthony Braxton or Shostakovichs String Quartets, Peter Brotzmann or Samuel Barber, Jeff Buckley or Morton Feldman.

Tim has played with a number of musicians in many fields, including local and international artists Josh Roseman, Jen Baker, Shoko Hitage, Stephen Schwartz (of Hedwig and the Angry Inch fame), Damon Smith, Josh Allen, Marco Eneidi, Richard Hell, Randy Hunt, Adam Lane, Ike Levin, Scott Looney, Tony Malaby, Joris Teepe and many more. He has played 1400+ gigs since 1989 in a variety of venues across the country. Tim has appeared on a number of CDs in a variety of genres, including 2003s Sundays Farce with Josh Allen. He recently recorded the soundtrack to The Tale of Three Mohammeds, a film by Nasri Zacharia.

In 2006, Tim joined the Cooke Quintet, headed by Michael Cooke and Alex Kelly, and recorded "An Indefinite Suspension of the Possible" which got radio airplay across the county on finer avant-gards college stations across the country.

Tim plays Sonor drums and Paiste, Istanbul, UFIP and Bosphorus cymbals. He lives in West Oakland, California.

JOSHUA ALLEN BIO: Joshua Allen was born in Berkeley, California on March 14th, 1972. Like many of todays prominent musicians, Mr. Allen was a product of the Berkeley public school system, studying saxophone starting at the age of nine under Phil Hardymon. He went on to study with such prominent Bay Area musicians as Bill Aron, Joe Henderson, and Rory Snyder, from Diablo Valley College.

With his focus squarely on jazz composition and performance, Mr. Allen moved to Southern California in the early nineties to study with Rick Helzer at San Diego State, and to work in Los Angeles music and studio scene. He became active in the Latin Jazz community, and worked with various musicians such as Dennis Chambers, and Eddie Palmieri.

Mr. Allens return to the Bay Area in the mid 90s to finish his Bachelors degree at Sonoma State began a period of radical musical change. His association with saxophonist Marco Eneidi led to working relationships with musicians such as Glen Spearmann, Matthew Goodheart, Damon Smith, and eventually Cecil Taylor.

The music that Mr. Allen was producing started to move almost completely away from the jazz idiom, and began to focus more on modern composition. Mr. Allen has created his own personal language with the tenor saxophone, with an emphasis on polytonal and asymmetrical phrasing, as well as extending the range and sonic ability of the instrument. He does this with constant emphasis and study of the overtone series, and the generation of multiphonics from the application of this process.

Most recently Mr. Allen has been performing and recording with the Weasel Walter Quartet, finishing the soundtrack for the film The Tale of Three Mohammeds, and teaching Fellowship students at the Brubeck Institute at the University of Pacific.


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Jason Gianni





Nov 7 2007 4:05 AM

Tim! Great to be back in touch with you, my good friend. I hope everything is well with the project here...good luck and keep up the great work! The stuff sounds cool!! All the best -
Renato





Nov 2 2007 6:40 PM

yeah. I think the dude had the sonorlites on EBAY. HE wanted big money for them. I paid alot - but the set is an in between set....IE - the jazz snobs would love it if it had a 14x18 bass and a 8x12 tom - but the deeper depths freak them out - even though they love the sound Jack had on those sets. It works for me - I can get cool stuff like that - because I don't care about that. They have a rounder, less immediate tone - which is cool. I am looking for sigs and hilite exclusives too. with the 18" bassdrum they become desirable to jazzers...but most stay away because the drums are deeper. I want a crazy square sized sig.....

oh have you seen ROnald Shannon Jackson's sig lately....dig:

http://ronaldshannonjackson.com/files/images/unt_20feb07/shannon_unt_20feb07_01_600.jpg


I'll get them too becuase the rockers won't dig the little bass and the jazzers will lament the over sized stuff.

you are set with your drums. me too really. but I collect parts to ensure that i can use them until I die. I really don't want anything else. SO how do you tune your drums and what are your head preferences. I also dig your cymbal sound.....what secret details can you share?

take care
ren
Renato





Oct 31 2007 7:28 PM

I forgot:
my snares:
5.75x14 phonic rosewood inner/outer 6.5x14 hilite in black sparkle
4x14 sonorlite in scandinavian birch

also:

dig this.....
http://www.indoorstorm.com/Sonor_65_14_Reissue_Phonic_Snare_Drum-p-3810.html

pricey...but maybe worth it.

although a vintage one in good condition is better and probably only $500
Renato





Oct 31 2007 7:24 PM

Hey,

I dig that little pewter finish kit - they sound great on the slide show vid on youtube of you and your fellow conspirator Mr. Allen playing in San Francisco...especially with the 16" bassdrum...what is that drum?(how come I only see the hacks playing "Autumn Leaves" over and over when I visit the bay area?)

I have a silly rosewood collection I stumbled upon - it came from a couple sources. I originally bought a rosewood bop kit 12/14/18/matching snare - inner outer rosewood veneer.....then I saw your set and got it into my head to get a 10" tom and a 16" floortom.....and friend had those - but wouldn't part out the kit - he wanted to keep his 12/14/20/matching snare...and I could have the 10 and 16 but had to take his 8 and 13 toms as well.....so now I have the jack dejohnette set-up hahahah 8/10/12/13/14/16/18/matching snare....hahah Its fun have those components(but most never leave my drum room). I recently got rid of my gretsch and got sonorlite rosewood kit - 10/12/14/16/18 (yeah the depths are deeper....not square - but something like 8x10/10x12/14x14/16x16/16x18 - but I am surprised that extra depth rounds out the tone a bit.

I decided I could only play trad depth drums like everyone else after the 80's - but all those amazing sonors - lites, signatures, hilites and hilite exclusives only came deeper...and lately having played a friend's beech heavy sig with square toms - big drums - the "bop" model.....12x12/13x13/14x15(15 depth)floor/17x18 bass/8x14 snare.....he had them tuned perfectly.....yeah - the depths don't bug me anymore - I prefer trad depths.....but this lite is amazing - almost as amazing as phonics....and the bassdrum is lighter than my 14" phonic floortom hahahaha.

yeah the protec.....I still would like a protec double tom mount. If I find two I'll hook you up. and maybe axis stands....they are aluminum....haven't tried them yet.

hey - I love your sound -
Aaron Koppel





Oct 17 2007 5:27 PM

Hey Orr/Allen Duo,
Thanks for being our friend! If you live in the Chicago-land area come out and celebrate Halloween with us.

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Karin Carson





Sep 12 2007 3:19 AM

Hey Tim-

Great talking with you the other day! Music sounds awesome! I hope Jen had a fabulous time @ Burning Man...maybe one day I too will get to understand the Burning of the Man....

Look's like you got hacked or you are working for Macys =)....what's with all the free gift cards....lol

Talk to you soon....P.S. Did I tell you I got Sam Rivers for the CD Release....HOORAY!!

Karin
Andrew Cyrilles CrashPad





Jul 1 2007 9:22 AM

Orr/Allen, thanks for
the add!


AC's Crashpad
Black Hat Records





Jan 28 2007 9:49 PM

Greetings Tim,

Thanks for recording your new CD, an indefinite suspension of the possible with us. It is available from Black Hat Records, Cadence and .

Cooke Quintet

Tectonic Ox





Nov 27 2006 5:13 PM

Thanx for the add! Nice music!
OPQ





Nov 2 2006 4:22 PM

HI! I enjoy your music very much!!!
Thanks!!!!!
arigatou gozaimasu!
TOR SNYDER & Irrepressible Spirit





Oct 13 2006 4:44 PM

Greetings from Brooklyn and thanks for the add. Your sounds great. I look forward to hearing more of it. Take care, Tor Snyder
Paulo Chagas





Sep 17 2006 7:59 AM

Music is the best!
Your sound is great!

Thanx for add

Stay cool
Jerome Bryerton





Aug 31 2006 4:12 PM

Tim, you da' man! Thanks for all your help pal! Definitely want to hang out more when I return to Oakland. I owe you quite a few rounds at Geo K's.
Joseph





May 2 2006 6:36 AM

Thanks for the add. I enjoyed the creative vibe on Drum Solo.
Fluffy Mae





Apr 27 2006 1:26 AM

Hey Orr/Allen.
Thanks for the add! Fluff.
artgeek666





Apr 16 2006 10:19 PM

Hey. Thx for adding me...I keep an ear on you.
Best
Kalle
sharkey





Apr 11 2006 4:51 PM

cheers from leeds guys, thanks for adding me... you've got a great sound happening here....!
Tarik.





Apr 5 2006 9:31 PM

to the mooselodge!!! 41st OAKtown biatch!!! lol...
Jerome Bryerton





Apr 4 2006 3:29 PM

Tim...I need a 'real' drumset to use when I am in California next! Please, this is a matter of musical life or death! WHAT IS THE CARTIAGE FEE?
Kurt





Dec 16 2005 6:43 PM

Hey - now I can hang out with you guys in cyberspace when I am not up to braving Geo Kaye's!
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